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In the beginning of the 80's when the breed was first started, the Ysterberg bloodline was included in the then breeding program to establish the Boerboel as a breed. It was of mixed heritage like all the other foundation dogs. Although most, if not all of the original lines have disappeared, we are still breeding the same line in the Boerboel (as a line in the Boerboel).
As the Boerboel was started back then, we are starting a new breed, Ysterberg Mastiff now by using among others Boerboels from the Ysterberg line as foundation dogs. It does not mean that the Ysterberg bloodline in the Boerboel HAVE to disappear. Just as the Bullmastiff, or any of the other dogs that makes up the Boerboel hasn't disappeared.
I hope this is clear enough? Sometimes one just needs to add a pinch of some common sense.
The Ysterberg Mastiff cannot be a Boerboel if they are appying to register a new breed at KUSA and the FCI. YOUR ARE RIGHT, THE YSTERBERG MASTIFF IS A NEW EMERGING BREED. Also by their own admittance they have now admitted that the Ysterberg dogs were never Boerboels in the first place, they were Ysterberg Mastiffs - a breed on it's own. WE HAVE NEVER ADMITTED TO ANY SUCH THING, IF YOU READ OUR INTO ON OUR WEBSITE PROPERLY IT STATES THE FOLLOWING: “During the 1980s when the first Boerboel association was started, Klaas was invited to include some of his dogs….The Ysterberg dogs never really fitted in with the ever changing breed standards. Klaas tried his best to conform to the standard by using dogs from other kennels to change the phenotype…At this point he realized that the only way to forward would be to revive the ‘original’ Ysterberg Mastiff.”
I can see how you can get confused with the last part saying ‘original’ Ysterberg Mastiff and we will revise our text as to prevent further confusion. If you read the Boerboel breed standard carefully it states that the Boerboel is a mastiff type dog, hence the wording Ysterberg Mastiff. If you want to preserve a breeding line, you don't go and register a new BREED, you create a breeding pool of dogs and breeders that breed together. IF YOU’VE WALKED A MILE IN OUR SHOES YOU WOULD REALISE THAT IT IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, FOUGHT THE FIGHT FOR MANY YEARS. THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU JUST CANT FIGHT THE LOOSING BATTLE ANY MORE.
I have been told (PLEASE ADVISE US BY WHOM SO THAT WE CAN RECTIFY THE MISUNDERSTANDING) that dogs that conform to the Ysterberg Mastiff breed standard will be registred as Ysterberg Mastiffs, and the others will be registered as Boerboels. So are breeders now going to register two different breeds out of the same litter?! I certainly do not hope so!! OFF COURSE NOT, THIS IS JUST REDICULOUS. ALL OF OUR DOGS ARE CURRENTLY STILL BOERBOELS (REGISTERED WITH THE VARIOUS ORGANISATIONS) WE HAVEN’T EVEN APPROVED THE OTHER BREEDS WE WANT TO INTRODUCE INTO THE YM BREEDING PROGRAM. WE DID HOWEVER TAKE THE DOGS THAT CONFORM TO THE STANDARD AND PASSED THE TESTS OUT OF THE BOERBOEL NETWORK. THEY WILL START THE BREEDING POOL AS YOU PUT IT. THEIR PUPS THAT DON’T CONFORM WILL NOT BE SOLD AS BOERBOELS BUT WILL BE SOLD AS PETS WITHOUT ANY PAPERS. THE BOERBOELS THAT ARE LEFT WILL STILL BE BRED AND REGISTERD AS USUAL.THERE ARE MANY OTHER BREEDERS (NOT JUST BB BREEDERS) THAT BREED MORE THAN ONE BREED OF DOG.
Dogs that were bred using purely Ysterberg lines were registered as Boerboels, eventhough apparently they were all the time not Boerboels but Ysterberg Mastiffs. REFER TO ANSWER ABOVE. This woul explain the big problem we have with the the oversize and colouring in the Boerboel. SO NOW IT IS A PROBLEM? NEVER REALISED THAT. So many people tell you, :go look at old photo's and videos of Ysterberg dogs, they were piebald and irishmarked and were so and so big". GOOD FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. Yes, they were, but they were not Boerboels, they were Ysterberg Mastiffs as has now been admitted. REFER TO ANSWER ABOVE AGAIN. The Ysterberg Mastiff people say that their Ysterberg Mastiffs were a pure line, with no health problems and no temperament problems THIS IS ALSO NOT TRUE, NO LINE IS WITHOUT FAULT, OURS JUST INCREASED 100 FOULD AND WE FOUND PROBLEMS WE NEVER HAD BEFORE, SO YOU DO THE MATH. until they started breeding them with Boerboels, AND I QUOTE: “He also tried using dogs from various different kennels” NEVER MENTIONED THE WORD BOERBOEL. so then the Ysterberg Mastiff and the Boerboel must be two seperate breeds. WE’VE COVERED THIS ALREADY.
Other Boerboels that have a bit of Ysterberg lines in them, but not predominantly Ysterberg, are also registered as Boerboels, and I presume that they will still remain under the Boerboel name.
Retha
Now I want to give everyone something to think about, be honest with yourself, investigate and answer these questions for yourself. I really don’t need an answer (I already have mine) but apparently you do.
Better to understand a little, than to misunderstand a lot.
Stoffel Bloem
Hi Stoffel, Thank you for the information, I have always admired the graet dogs you breed, I wish you the best of luck.
Thanks for the reply Stoffel. Please note, I don't want to argue with you so please don't be so defensive, I am just trying to clarify matters.
So I do have it right then, the Ysterberg Mastiff is a seperate breed from the Boerboel, thanks for clearing that up.
Retha
I think this is a pretty fair enquiry Paul and I would like to know myself as I am curious also to learn what the Ysterberg Mastiff will be. For me, temperament is more important than size or build so my question is, what type of temperament will you strive for with the Ysterberg Mastiff and how will it differ from that of a Boerboel?
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