AKC and Boerboels

[Phyllis matyjewicz]

KC Breeds by Group

Miscellaneous Class

The breeds currently eligible to participate in the Miscellaneous Class are still enrolled in the AKC Foundation Stock Service®. FSS® enrollment is maintained until the AKC Board of Directors accepts the breed for regular status.

Authorities acknowledge that throughout the world there are several hundred distinct breeds of purebred dogs, not all of which are AKC recognized breeds. Those officially recognized for AKC registration appear in the Stud Book of the American Kennel Club. The AKC provides for a regular path of development for a new breed, which may result in that breed’s full recognition and appearance in the official Stud Book as an AKC recognized breed.

Briefly stated, the requirement for admission to the Stud Book is clear and categorical proof that a substantial, sustained nationwide interest and activity in the breed exists. This includes an active parent club, with serious and expanding breeding activity over a wide geographic area.

When in the judgment of the Board of Directors such interest and activity exists, a breed is admitted to the Miscellaneous Class. Breeds in the Miscellaneous Class may compete and earn titles in Companion Events and also select Performance Events. Miscellaneous breeds are also eligible to compete in Junior Showmanship. They may also compete at conformation shows, but here are limited to competition in the Miscellaneous Class and are not eligible for championship points.

When the Board of Directors is satisfied that a breed is continuing a healthy, dynamic growth in the Miscellaneous Class, it may be admitted to registration in the Stud Book and the opportunity to compete in regular classes.

American English Coonhound	Bergamasco	Boerboel	Cesky Terrier	Chinook

[Aescleah]

o i think this is a awful idea 

 

Ashley

[Jennifer Sider]

What is an awful idea? The Boerboel has been AKC FSS recorded since 2006. No better or worse than any other registry. That they are in the Miscellaneous class means they can show Conformation, Obedience and some Performance events; opens up another avenue rather than trying for the highest appraisal score; with no other accolades.

[Marcella Burgess]

Hi Aescleah,

 

May I ask why?  Personally, my take on this is similar to Jenn's post... but I will elaborate on mine a little bit more.

Coming from a standpoint of having been around for a few more year's,. I have seen the Boerboel go through MANY different changes physically all done because the appraisers at the time are wanting something different every single year!  I have seen and been to many different appraisals and have had many different dogs that I have either owned/bred/handled done very well or not so very well... please do not think that my post is because I have never done well score wise, totally opposite!

In my mind, the appraisal system is the LAST piece of the puzzle but most if not all other breeders do not look at it this way!  For most it is the holy grail of the boerboel... even for those whose dogs score incredibly highly... initially say that it is just a score... then even they succumb too the thought process of my dog got THIS! sort of attitude....

What the AKC does is open up doors for people who want MORE than just an SABT score!  I am for one... ALL FOR THIS!!!  and have recently made the decision that all pup's who are going out as strictly companion puppies WILL have AKC registration papers on them!  The co-owned puppies will have both SABT and AKC, so again the best of both worlds!

 

Just my two cents

Marcella Burgess

Proudfoot Kennels

Aescleah said:

 

o i think this is a awful idea 

 

Ashley

[Aescleah]

akc also means more publicity and i think boerboels are too popular as it is. i spent alot of time getting ready for my boerboel but i think the fact is for a breed like this you can never be ready enough, and you really just dont understand this breed till your first one is over 2 years old. as a breed they have only offically been around for about 30 or so years. many breeders are so bizzy moving forward without proper documentation or health records, all most people want to do is pump out puppies for money how are we going to really know what we have when we dont know exactly where we are going. with akc i think more people will be looking into this breed so what will breeders have to do water down this breed down so more types of dog owners can have them, will it be the boerboel we love now? i used to think a more watered down version would be best for america butt after owning one i dont think so any more i think i like their edge.

and there is the BSL issue, i think not having AKC status has kept these dogs off the radar this will probley change very soon, and this breed is going to become a poster child for the baby eaters of the month club. so that is my opinion in a nut shell why i am not keen on this bisness.

 

Ashley

[Jennifer Sider]

Oh, it's already started; I wouldn't worry about the AKC having boo-diddly to do with what is happening to the Boerboel, it's been on its way for years. There are breeders pumping out these dogs like they are Pez candies and truly the AKC isn't even a blip on their radar; so I'm going to disagree that the AKC is going to do anything other than allow RESPONSIBLE Boerboel owners the opportunity to prove their dog in some way; other than if it has a huge head, has black fur, weighs 200 lbs or scored 90-95-100!!!!!! on its SABT/EBBASA appraisal.

Aescleah said:

akc also means more publicity and i think boerboels are too popular as it is. i spent alot of time getting ready for my boerboel but i think the fact is for a breed like this you can never be ready enough, and you really just dont understand this breed till your first one is over 2 years old. as a breed they have only offically been around for about 30 or so years. many breeders are so bizzy moving forward without proper documentation or health records, all most people want to do is pump out puppies for money how are we going to really know what we have when we dont know exactly where we are going. with akc i think more people will be looking into this breed so what will breeders have to do water down this breed down so more types of dog owners can have them, will it be the boerboel we love now? i used to think a more watered down version would be best for america butt after owning one i dont think so any more i think i like their edge.

and there is the BSL issue, i think not having AKC status has kept these dogs off the radar this will probley change very soon, and this breed is going to become a poster child for the baby eaters of the month club. so that is my opinion in a nut shell why i am not keen on this bisness.

 

Ashley

[Marcella Burgess]

my point exactly!

AKC has nothing at all to do with the recent explosion of the breed... that would be due to the overseas/and non-overseas breeders who pump out puppies and sell to them to whomever has the almighty dollar ready to go !

 

Jennifer Sider said:

Oh, it's already started; I wouldn't worry about the AKC having boo-diddly to do with what is happening to the Boerboel, it's been on its way for years. There are breeders pumping out these dogs like they are Pez candies and truly the AKC isn't even a blip on their radar; so I'm going to disagree that the AKC is going to do anything other than allow RESPONSIBLE Boerboel owners the opportunity to prove their dog in some way; other than if it has a huge head, has black fur, weighs 200 lbs or scored 90-95-100!!!!!! on its SABT/EBBASA appraisal.

Aescleah said:

 

akc also means more publicity and i think boerboels are too popular as it is. i spent alot of time getting ready for my boerboel but i think the fact is for a breed like this you can never be ready enough, and you really just dont understand this breed till your first one is over 2 years old. as a breed they have only offically been around for about 30 or so years. many breeders are so bizzy moving forward without proper documentation or health records, all most people want to do is pump out puppies for money how are we going to really know what we have when we dont know exactly where we are going. with akc i think more people will be looking into this breed so what will breeders have to do water down this breed down so more types of dog owners can have them, will it be the boerboel we love now? i used to think a more watered down version would be best for america butt after owning one i dont think so any more i think i like their edge.

and there is the BSL issue, i think not having AKC status has kept these dogs off the radar this will probley change very soon, and this breed is going to become a poster child for the baby eaters of the month club. so that is my opinion in a nut shell why i am not keen on this bisness.

 

Ashley

[Aescleah]

well what i am getting at is i think akc will make them even more popular then they already are the breed is already moving to fast as it is  without the help of the AKC with the help of the AKC it will only get worse. 

As for those 200 lb monsters limping around with 199 100 scores thats not right either and i think we ought to fix the system we already have in place instead of running to yet another system

 

Ashley

 

[Teresa Brewer]

I have had years of experience with AKC, they do not promote "Code of Ethics Breeding", they give very little guidence when it comes to breed education, or health research. They don't even provide health information on the dogs they have registered. The SABT breeders will at least tell you of health concerns of their breeding lines and they are far more strict with their testing methods. I know of AKC breeders who are still selling frozen sperm from their championship lines when the dogs died of predisposed genitic diseases. As far as I can tell AKC stands for all kinds of cash, from your pocket into theirs. So I think I agree with Ashley's initial statement.

Aescleah said:

well what i am getting at is i think akc will make them even more popular then they already are the breed is already moving to fast as it is  without the help of the AKC with the help of the AKC it will only get worse. 

As for those 200 lb monsters limping around with 199 100 scores thats not right either and i think we ought to fix the system we already have in place instead of running to yet another system

 

Ashley

 

[kate nicholson]

I see both sides unfortunately. I don't feel that akc recognition is a hood thing for the breed from the simple standpoint of popularity. More dogs will be seen and wanted, more poor quality dogs will be bred and sold to inappropriate homes. This is not the fault of the akc but it is the fault of crappy breeders. The akc is a registry plain and simple not the police. As Jen stated the bb is already headed down a bad path and has been for quite some time. Akc will not fix the problems in this breed, only responsible breeders can do that. On the plus side for akc is the ability to work and title dogs.  That I think is very positive. Sabt,ebassa,bi etc will try to (or say they are) put testing and quality control measures in place but with the personalities and egos in this breed I do not see that ever happening. Sad but likely true. It is up to the breeders to act right and try to improve this breed and that requires honesty, dedication and love of the breed. A very hard combo to come by!  Just my 2 cents. Kate

TERESA P BREWER said:

I have had years of experience with AKC, they do not promote "Code of Ethics Breeding", they give very little guidence when it comes to breed education, or health research. They don't even provide health information on the dogs they have registered. The SABT breeders will at least tell you of health concerns of their breeding lines and they are far more strict with their testing methods. I know of AKC breeders who are still selling frozen sperm from their championship lines when the dogs died of predisposed genitic diseases. As far as I can tell AKC stands for all kinds of cash, from your pocket into theirs. So I think I agree with Ashley's initial statement.

Aescleah said:

well what i am getting at is i think akc will make them even more popular then they already are the breed is already moving to fast as it is  without the help of the AKC with the help of the AKC it will only get worse. 

As for those 200 lb monsters limping around with 199 100 scores thats not right either and i think we ought to fix the system we already have in place instead of running to yet another system

 

Ashley

 

[Marcella Burgess]

Teresa,

 

You said and I quote " The SABT breeders will at least tell you of health concerns of their breeding lines and they are far more strict with their testing methods "  the vast majority of SABT breeders do NOT nor even have the foggiest idea as to what is behind their own dogs let alone what is in the bloodlines that they are working with ! 

The SABT, AKC, USBA, BI, EBBASA, KUSA, SABA etc etc etc are all the same... there is not a single registery out there that deals with the boerboels that governs what, who, when, and/or how any breeder goes about their breeding plans, looks at temperament and health testing prior/after a breeding....

In regards to selling frozen semen from a diseased dog with genetic issues, the ownes ( sp?) lies within the owner of the approaching bitch to ask all the pertinent questions of said stud dog owner....

 

Such is life I am afraid...   it is again up to the individual breeder to make their own choices and decisions as to what to breed and why...

 

Just my two or three cents worth!

Marcella

TERESA P BREWER said:

 

I have had years of experience with AKC, they do not promote "Code of Ethics Breeding", they give very little guidence when it comes to breed education, or health research. They don't even provide health information on the dogs they have registered. The SABT breeders will at least tell you of health concerns of their breeding lines and they are far more strict with their testing methods. I know of AKC breeders who are still selling frozen sperm from their championship lines when the dogs died of predisposed genitic diseases. As far as I can tell AKC stands for all kinds of cash, from your pocket into theirs. So I think I agree with Ashley's initial statement.

Aescleah said:

  

well what i am getting at is i think akc will make them even more popular then they already are the breed is already moving to fast as it is  without the help of the AKC with the help of the AKC it will only get worse. 

As for those 200 lb monsters limping around with 199 100 scores thats not right either and i think we ought to fix the system we already have in place instead of running to yet another system

 

Ashley

 

[Lee May]

Hey guys, I've been trying to stay out of this discusion, but Ashley is 100% right!!, AKC acknowledgement is a very bad thing! Everyone espiaclly in US it will drive/and demand big numbers to this breed like know bodies business, thus the creation of many back yard breeders, tons of mixed breeding to get that super dog!  And in the inner city, mixing with pitbulls to get that true killer, till they start killing people and GOD forbid children. I personally won't mind if the owners get mauled or their legs bit of like in Europe, for mixing this breed. BB are diffrent from any other breed I have seen, and I have been in this game a long time. Power and speed that can be unforgiving in a instant. And having a 140 to 200 lb. male or female not in the true BB mind (temperment) and Charater under complete control at all times. Inbreeding, bad breeding, mixed breeding will be a very sad Day and Cause the destruction of this Best of Breeds to date. Or possible Banning, most likely not here in the states, but everywhere else, then there will be loose dogs living in the streets of every major city in the US., breeding and mixing even futher causing even more damage Possibally to the point where city dwellers won't be able to walk the streets or the Nature trails for fear of getting hurt from a pack of Crazy BB wild or mixed inbred hunters. The AKC only see's $ signs, that is why they are looking to the new thing. OUR BOERBOELS. It's their new Cash Cow, with there rare breed shows est. Been there Done that. more than a few times. It's Bad news Period. The AKC is getting faster normally it take 15 yrs for them to deem a new breed worthy. Peace Lee

[kate nicholson]

Hey Lee unfortunately all of the bad things you mentioned are already happening to our breed and have only been worsening for the last couple of years.  Don't get me wrong I was never in favor of the breed going AKC but the bottom line is that it IS happening and there is nothing we can do to stop it.  The AKC did not come looking for our breed it was handed to them on a silver platter by a few individuals.  The only upside I can see is the ability to title the dogs in companion sports tho I will never be happy to see them in the conformation ring.  Truly sad but we will just have to pull up our boots and deal with it I suppose. Kate